JohnD Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Seems more apt than that noxious song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6Steve Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Hey guys, this side of the pond is not getting any Brexit news lately. Can you give me a brief summation of what's expected to change tomorrow? If anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 B&gg£r all, Chris. All that has been decided is that Brexit will occur, formally, tomorrow midnight. There will now be an "interim period" lasting a year in which all the negotiation to determine exactly what the fiscal and administrative arrangements between the UK and the EU shall be. A process that in the past between nations has taken five to seven years. Surely 'discussions' must have already taken place, but nothing substantive until after tomorrow. So don't hold your breath. Also what had not happened is the epitome of Triumphalism (i'm sorry about that) demanded by some of the Spartans of the ERG, that Big Ben be recomissioned to ring out at midnight and celebrate this dismal event. When the competent authorities said that it would cost £500,000 (The ElizabethTower is currently swathed in scaffolding to prevent it falling down, so Betty would be a bit peeved if that happened) so the odious Johnson, that antithesis of a statesman, suggested that everyone "bung a bob for Big Ben bong", which raised as much as £220. So instead, his equally odious Chancellor has surruptitiously had coined a celebratory 50P piece, half a million of them. So that's where half the half a million quid went! These tawdry trinkets are already on sale on Amazon for over £20! https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brexit-Souvenir-Collectors-Uncirculated-Gardens/dp/B07HWR9XPL/ref=asc_df_B07HWR9XPL/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=394334136200&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11315993990146095192&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006854&hvtargid=pla-837201876443&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=81425710069&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=394334136200&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11315993990146095192&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006854&hvtargid=pla-837201876443 Oh, for another TS Eliot, whose Hollow Men have now ended a great and hopeful alliance, "not with a bang, but with a tinkle". John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerH Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just to put a smidgeon of balance to this. Late last year Big Ben was allowed to toll on tow occasions - Rememberance Sunday and New Years Eve. This cost apprx £14,000 on each occasion. So why a month later does it cost £500,000. Somebody is very bitter. We now have to live with a twice won democratic decision - get on with it. Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Whats wrong with a digital Big Ben, after all most of us have only ever heard an electronic version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, GT6Steve said: Hey guys, this side of the pond is not getting any Brexit news lately. Can you give me a brief summation of what's expected to change tomorrow? If anything? 49% think the world will fall to pieces 51% think it already had, and Prof Brian Cox is right: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 1940 phoney war 2020 phoney jaw https://theconversation.com/brexit-heres-what-happens-next-130849 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetecspit Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 The "bung a bob for a big ben bong" was (probably?) an off teh cuff remark, probably ill conceived. But seems to have raised a fair amount of cash. Doesn't it go to Help For Heroes if bib ben doesn't get bonged? An admirable charity. But essentially nothing is happening. I guess the real bunfight is about to begin. But there have been twists and turns already, what with the Huwawi stuff it seems a slight cooling with America trade deals. And Prince Andrew is hardly doing us any favors at the moment. Not to mention the Harry Dunn/Anne Sacoolas political hot potato which has turned public opinion against the US officialdom.... I think I need a large box of popcorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 hours ago, zetecspit said: Doesn't it go to Help For Heroes if bib ben doesn't get bonged? An admirable charity. Very much better use for it....... From an inside source I know very well, who has seen some of our "negotiators" in action...... "we have no negotiators worth the name" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT6Steve Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 "Not to mention the Harry Dunn/Anne Sacoolas political hot potato which has turned public opinion against the US officialdom...." Hmmmm....not seen a whisper of that on this side. I had to Google for the sordid story. And Thank You for the link ZS, I didn't know a bit of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattius Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I read the cost of the bong was because essentially they have removed everything including the floor from where the bell is at the moment during the renovation, so essentially they would need to rebuild it just to bong twice then remove it again. Then the contractor would need compensated for the delay etc etc. If they really wanted it, i don't understand why they didn't just use a large speaker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John I Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 We have so many large speakers on every side of the argument in this land and most of them sit in the palace just under the Elizabeth Tower, aka Big Ben! Not that their bongs or hot air have done us any good so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 This sums it all up I think https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-ambition-history-done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Nick Jones said: This sums it all up I think https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-ambition-history-done Not a mention of the elephant in the room. Considering he wrote a novel on climate change the absence of a mentionof cc and focus upon and economics and travel and brexit reveals his inability to join up the dots. Shallow novelist's pot-boiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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