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The obvious answer is, what the buyer will pay, so this auction will tell if I'm a cheapskate, or a canny merchant.

There are two auctions at once on ebay right now, from the same seller.    One is for a complete 2.5L engine, one for a block only.   He's put £250 as the starting price for either!

The block is claimed to be NOS, and has no engine number.   https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353106823900?ul_noapp=true

The engine has an MM number, which makes it from a 2500 saloon. No probs.  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-2-5-Litre-Complete-Engine-Suitable-For-TR6-TR5-TR250-2-5-2500/353106947474?hash=item5236d06d92:g:ZtYAAOSw7jRe5k1N

I've asked him for a better price on the block, but he stands firm!    No bids on either as yet.   He's allowed another eight days so we shall see, but do others here feel that a bare block cannot be worth as much as a complete engine?

JOhn

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Both perhaps a bit steep. Personally I’d take the more complete one as it comes with a free head, crank, rods and all the other assorted hardware that you need to assemble. Reported end float is almost in spec too so it might be in fair shape.  You’d easily sell the 219016 head for £ 100+ if you don’t want it.

If you just need a 6 pot block....... I have one here. Not unused and needing a re-bore but still standard size. All main caps present and correct. No thrust area damage. It’s the early mk 2 type with straight sides - lighter but not sure how it would play with a 2.5 crank.

Cheap.....

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If the bare block really is "brand new" old stock, and it has been properly stored/preserved then I imagine that would carry a premium.

Perhaps I'm more used to 4 cylinder TR engine prices, but if either/both stay at or near their opening prices then I would have thought the prices pretty reasonable (assuming the bare block is undamaged NOS). Perhaps an offer for both might elicit some agreeable deal, giving you enough bits to do whatever it is you are planning and some parts to sell on and recoup some of the costs? I sold a very long stored, scruffy looking but thought OK, 516816 head for £75 late in 2018, so assuming the 219016 one is good then Nick's valuation must be about right, at least.

https://www.chriswitor.com/cw_technical/head_applications_chart.pdf

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There a few complete versions floating about on flea B which seem to be at the £400 mark which would make the complete unit competitively priced but then they all could be being greedy!

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The problem with used engines is the risk. You don’t really know what you are getting.

A few years back I paid rather less than £250 for one and a half 2.5s. The short engine turned out to have a broken crank but the block and rods were ok. The full engine did run (it’s the one in the garage floor fire-up video) but turned out to have miss-matched main bearing caps, shimmed with bits of coke can (kid you not!). That block got weighed in. Between them they about added up to one engine.

Agree that the “new” block is a little special, though I’m slightly wary of major parts that have avoided use for many years. There is sometimes a reason for it. Like the new oil pump under my bench that has been passed over in my last 3 engine build due to being dimensionally inferior to the used ones in my collection.

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19 hours ago, Nick Jones said:

I’m slightly wary of major parts that have avoided use for many years. There is sometimes a reason for it.

That's a good point. What engine blocks would leave the factory without a number stamped on them? Rejects...?

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Not necessarily.  Just one that had never been built up and had a number allocated. In this case I do wonder about the combination of bubble block with strengthening rib, which is a late block feature, with the non-fire-ringed head face, which is an earlier feature. Maybe they overlapped.....  or maybe it’s a block that’s been refaced and even rebored . Definitely would measure it before buying pistons!

I have a bubble block with strengthening rib in the Vitesse. It also has no engine number stamping and no fire-rings. It’s +0.020 and had a former life in a 2500S.....

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Still no bids on the two items in John's original post (with just 25 mins to go on the bare block at time of posting).

I see the seller now also has a 516816 had for sale, plus some other tr6 parts including a job lot

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Can't recall if those sold, but here's another with inflated ideas of value!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TR-250-or-TR-5-Engine-2-5-Litre-Engine/203100963409?_trkparms=aid%3D999002%26algo%3DURGENT.LUI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140502134130%26meid%3D65ca8b4f06ba4c01813e3922ff57f614%26pid%3D100043%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26so%3Dlastwatched%26sd%3D124005027800%26itm%3D203100963409%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2508447&_trksid=p2508447.c100043.m2062

Staring price for a "TR250/5" engine claimed to turn over but stored "many years", surely must need a rebuild, £1550!  Yes, I wrote "staring price" and I meant it!  No bids, less than a day to go, we'll see.

 

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I think people use eBay to see what things are advertised at and not necessarily what they actually sell for, or if they sell at all. Gradually the prices get ramped up. Also as the value of the cars increase, inflated or not, so do the price of the parts. I've seen this over the past few years on lots of car parts, not just triumph. 

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3 hours ago, Mark said:

I think people use eBay to see what things are advertised at and not necessarily what they actually sell for, or if they sell at all. Gradually the prices get ramped up. Also as the value of the cars increase, inflated or not, so do the price of the parts. I've seen this over the past few years on lots of car parts, not just triumph. 

Agreed. The number of people advertising totally rotten Mk1 / Mk2 Spitfire shells with the promise "These sell for £20k when restored" always amuses me. I have been watching at least three shiny mk2 Spits advertised for >£18k and they've all been sitting on carandclassic for at least a year. Actual prices paid is south of 10 grand from what I can tell. 

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18 hours ago, JohnD said:

Can't recall if those sold, but here's another with inflated ideas of value!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TR-250-or-TR-5-Engine-2-5-Litre-Engine/203100963409?_trkparms=aid%3D999002%26algo%3DURGENT.LUI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140502134130%26meid%3D65ca8b4f06ba4c01813e3922ff57f614%26pid%3D100043%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26so%3Dlastwatched%26sd%3D124005027800%26itm%3D203100963409%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2508447&_trksid=p2508447.c100043.m2062

Staring price for a "TR250/5" engine claimed to turn over but stored "many years", surely must need a rebuild, £1550!  Yes, I wrote "staring price" and I meant it!  No bids, less than a day to go, we'll see.

 

He's an optimist. Also after 95 quid for a pair of Austin-Healey engine mounts

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