rogerguzzi Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Hello All I have bought one of these relay and fuse holder but now I do not know what the one relay type is? I know you will know as you are brighter than me! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Automotive-Car-Fuse-Relay-Holder-12-Slot-Relay-Box-6-Relays-ATC-ATO-Fuses-w-pins/323622892286?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200513093106%26meid%3D152b291fba9b4642b0558db2cc091dde%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D264700667252%26itm%3D323622892286%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV1Filter&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Don't understand the question....... looks to use the standard relay footprint? Nice little relay/fusebox btw. Tempted to buy one even though I don't have an immediate use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Roger, it looks like the relay socket is "universal" - so for a standard automotive relay you'd stick connectors in 4 out of the 5 slots leaving the one in the centre empty. 4 pins for "make/break" switching, 5 pins for "change over" type. Or in electrician speak 4 pin ones only have a normally open output pin, 5 pin ones have a normally open (NO) AND and normally closed (NC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 Hello Both I mean the one on the top right? Roger ps fighting the plug leads on Ford type 1 coil pack(I do not like those clips) Thinking of buying a type 2 with normal push in connectors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 its for a miniature relay like this https://uk.farnell.com/te-connectivity/v23074a1001a403/relay-automotive-spdt-12vdc-25a/dp/1197662?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9rSP2KrO6QIViIxRCh0QtQJPEAQYBCABEgJ3ZPD_BwE&gross_price=true&mckv=s9YpeCn8O_dc|pcrid|432052015391|plid||kword||match||slid||product|1197662|pgrid|101494708758|ptaid|pla-904093075629|&CMP=KNC-GUK-SHOPPING-switches-relays-NEWSTRUCTURE-20APR mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetecspit Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Bizarre that they threw that curveball! I guess there must be a reason, possibly a copy from an OEM box? But indeed, a nice neat solution for relays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I wish a box like that had been available a few years ago... it would have saved a lot of time and money that went into making this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 hours ago, mpbarrett said: its for a miniature relay like this https://uk.farnell.com/te-connectivity/v23074a1001a403/relay-automotive-spdt-12vdc-25a/dp/1197662?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9rSP2KrO6QIViIxRCh0QtQJPEAQYBCABEgJ3ZPD_BwE&gross_price=true&mckv=s9YpeCn8O_dc|pcrid|432052015391|plid||kword||match||slid||product|1197662|pgrid|101494708758|ptaid|pla-904093075629|&CMP=KNC-GUK-SHOPPING-switches-relays-NEWSTRUCTURE-20APR Hello Mike No its not one of them that is what I thought! ( Ihave some of them) If you look all the pins are north/south as compared to 2 being east/west So I still do not know pity its not the same as the others! Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Roger yes you are right, but, I know this seems daft, have you tried putting a micro relay into it? I have been using some modular stuff from Carbuilder (its rubbish BTW) and the slots in the plastic are strange shame to take the connection inserts that make you think the relay wont fit. Wonder why that relay position is different? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hello All I certainly will not fit!!!!! I am going to use the relays with built in fuses so that mean I can have at least 11 fuses in circuit I also bought these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DURITE-0-005-53-3-X-6-WAY-25-AMP-BUS-BAR-TERMINAL-BLOCK/161962352789?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233562151555 I may not need the fuse board now! or I could fuse every component on the car!(but that would be silly?) Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hello All This is the type (never had a Jap Car!) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAPANESE-TYPE-12V-30A-AMP-MINI-RELAY-MAKE-AND-BREAK-4-PIN-DURITE-0-727-50-160983/171116776405?epid=1846167331 Roger Ps now to find a cheap one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisymoose Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hi roger, it's this type - standard automotive 30 amp relay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-pin-12v-30-a-relay-30-amp-30-a-car-boat-van-motorcycle-horn-ry1/291025893834_trkparms=aid=1110006algo=homesplice.simao=1asc=225114meid=d25f725d5b684288938a9e4e7cfb64ffpid=100005rk=4rkt=12mehot=pfsd=171116776405itm=291025893834pmt=1noa=0pg=2047675algv=simplamlv5pairwisewebwithbbev1filterbrand=sterling_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851redirect=mobile Regards Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escadrille Ecosse Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Not sure why the Japanese have to make stuff different just for the sake of it. Good plan to fit lots of relays though. I have had old switches melt, expensive and sometimes difficult to replace and alarming while you struggle identify the source of the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hello Dave It is not it is the Jap type I can only assume the Chinese copied a Jap product! Roger ps found one on Fleabay for £4 30amp type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Don't want to hijack you thread but a bit of a warning... I am using a similar module to mount some relays in the Herald as part of the long winded dash board rewiring. Like your it uses crimped connectors and then the connector is fitted into the plastic housing. Its held in by nasty little metal teeth. Finished mine with all the fuses and 5 relays all wired up. Before fitting it to the car decided to test it on the bench, that's when I found that I had incorrectly wired the relays... Mixed up the coil and contacts... Had to spend most of yesterday afternoon getting the inserts out of the housing so I could rewire it, bloody difficult, using all sorts of tools to release the insert from the housing, Almost gave up and junked the whole lot. So before you put in the inserts check, go and have a coffee, and then check again that you have got the wiring correct! Stupid error on my part but I blame Cumming and Covid-19 for distracting me when I was wiring it up. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, mpbarrett said: Had to spend most of yesterday afternoon getting the inserts out of the housing so I could rewire it, bloody difficult, using all sorts of tools to release the insert from the housing, If you do much wiring I recommend buying a cheap set of these: I use them a lot for the arcade machine wiring - pin removal tools. Not expensive and can save a lot of annoyance/swearing. Edited May 28, 2020 by yorkshire_spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbarrett Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I had seen them on a FB advert a few days ago and ordered a set from Amazon, but none of them fitted properly with out a bit of surgery, But couldn't have got the inserts out without them. Worth having in the toolbox Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, mpbarrett said: but none of them fitted properly with out a bit of surgery, Yeah, I usually end up taking a grinder to them to thin them out here and there to "optimise performance" ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 Hello All Its Bu****r Bu****r and double Bu****r The jap one does not fit either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to looking again Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I keep thinking it's a 6-pin tractor style flasher, but the pins are the wrong orientation. Thinking caps on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisymoose Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Hi Roger - was annoying me so a bit of rummaging on fleabay resulted in finding another seller with same box - but this is labelled and it says that it is a RTT7121 4 pin relay, some list it as a high power relay - some list it as a general purpose relay, but seems mostly for Toyota - try searching the code above - all seem to be from China at 4 to 5 quid Regards Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkshire_spam Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, daisymoose said: Hi Roger - was annoying me so a bit of rummaging on fleabay resulted in finding another seller with same box - but this is labelled and it says that it is a RTT7121 4 pin relay, some list it as a high power relay - some list it as a general purpose relay, but seems mostly for Toyota - try searching the code above - all seem to be from China at 4 to 5 quid Regards Dave Awesome work Dave that's been like having sand in the back of my brain all day! There seems to be a 5 pin version too: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32948823380.html Edited May 28, 2020 by yorkshire_spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 Hello Dave Thank's for finding out what type it is It was starting to get like a scooby do puzzle! I will probably order one from china as I am in no rush and I can still wire it up Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerguzzi Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 Hello All I have ordered one from china but now thinking about it I think I will order a second one from a different supplier as a spare would be good as they seem to be as rare as hens teeth! Roger Ps I wonder it it was a copy of a Toyoto relay box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Jones Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 So why would anyone make a relay block for 6 relays where 5 are of one, near universal type, but the 6th is of a different and rather unusual type, though functionally the same? Design by Tory government strategist? No, they have done it the other way around. Must be just a random idiot then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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