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  2. PaulAA

    May's Brexit Plan

    Rob I could set out the factual errors in your summary, but I think I'd just be doing it for my own benefit. I admit that I'm an avowed Remainer, because I believe that, flawed as it is, the EU does a pretty good job in offsetting the pendulum swings of national politics and providing a trading environment that unifies tariffs and regulations in the world's biggest single market. It has also done far more for the UK than any party political govt has ever done to stimulate regional growth and infrastructure. Three cheers for 'our' sort of democracy. So much misinformation has been spread - and a lot of it repeated in this thread - that truth has become almost irrelevant. Also almost irrelevant is that the referendum was flawed, tainted and fundamentally ill-conceived. I honestly don't believe that a second referendum (whether it is given a confrontational title like 'People's Referendum' or not) will repair the damage that has been done. I also don't believe that it will achieve a meaningful result. You have a system of democracy and 650 MPs to deliver not you want, but what they conclude is best for you. All the referendum achieved was to provide a cloak of public opinion for these 'representatives' to hide behind and convince themselves that they are fulfilling The Wish of the People. It could have been handled differently, to be a less abrupt and less damaging process, but we have David Cameron to thank for that. The one glimmer of hope is that he will face retribution, if not in this life, then in the next, for the damage he has done to Britain for a generation to come. As of this evening, it appears that you are in the hands of the DUP again. A small religious faction on the fringe of British politics will decide the fate of the country. I can only wish you well. Paul
  3. MennoR

    TR Register Forum, and the Way Forward.

    Just click on the forum page of the TRR forum and all will be revealed.
  4. Chippy63

    Early Christmas present

    Didn't find it so hopefully it was ok, probably just stunned.
  5. Scooter

    TR Register Forum, and the Way Forward.

    Link to new rules?
  6. Hamish

    Early Christmas present

    Wow that is a picture and a half. Sad for the kite
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  8. Chippy63

    Early Christmas present

    Had a Red kite leave it's soul on my window.
  9. AB|W

    May's Brexit Plan

    John, You are correct the establishment only believes in the results of election / referendums if it meets their aims, anything else is a mistake and must be corrected. Hence the media histrionics after Donald Trump was elected, our Brexit votes and numerous contested results in third world countries. Even the language has changed, from holding what used to be called "differing views", now is called just "wrong", with the expectation that a differing opinion is incorrect and therefore worthless and may be disregarded. Whatever the outcome of Brexit there will be interesting times ahead for democracy. But then democracy is too old fashioned for the twenty-first century isn't it? Alan
  10. Janner

    May's Brexit Plan

    Paul If I have, then I apologise unreservedly. I have tried to inwardly digest the whole thread, as it has progressed, so may very well have forgotten some of the views offered . . . . .who says retirement is fun? I have to admit being somewhat frustrated at the apparent entrenched positions of both sides of this arguement. (At this point I have to state that I voted leave, for a myriad of reasons), but, I can remember, see and hear the constant stream of distortions being delivered by both cabals. The thing that really sticks in my craw is the constant whining about a 'peoples vote' which is another refurendum, disguised so that (they think) the great unwashed won't recognise it. IF there is another refurendum, irrespective of the result, I want at least best of 3 and would prefer best of 5. We have the political system we have. Right or wrong, it is what it is. There was an election, a refurendum and another election. The results are what they are, they cannot be changed. If the result had been to remain, would I be screaming cheat, liar, I want another one? No I wouldn't. I lost the refurendum i n 1975 and suffered 18 years of the EEC (OK, not so bad) and 25 years of the Eu as a result. I have never whined about wanting a 'peoples vote' just because I didn't like the outcome . . . . .which I didn't. There has never been a vote or refurendum, on being part of the Eu, until 2016. The result was leave. Please, everyone, lets just get on with it. John
  11. Working out where it's all going to fit and still be able to shut the bonnet. Oil filler has to go. I've got more cam covers so will swap them over and add coil mounts to that set.
  12. DeTRacted

    May's Brexit Plan

    Neither are truly democratic. In a real democracy the poplulace gets to vote on everything. What we have is an elected oligarchy which has the benefit of being a lot less cumbersome as a system but which can result in the kind of disconnection between the government and the governed which we see at present. This is reinforced by the party system which means an independent candidate has little chance of being elected to the UK parliament and virtually no chance at all of becoming an MEP. As Peter says- the further that gets from the grass roots and the larger the constituency the worse it becomes, so the euro-parliament is really a complete unknown to the electorate. There are a mere 751 MEPS representing around 380 million voters so about 505k each but they are decided by PR which means the party system dominates and the person(s) actually elected may have no connection with your particular area. Our parliament has 650 MPs representing 46.5M voters so about 71.5k each and we do get to vote directly for one known person. I know which I prefer.
  13. BrianR

    Joys of engineering

    Why not go all the way and use Skunk spray, they'd never steal another parcel Bri
  14. AB|W

    May's Brexit Plan

    Paul, "...although it does seem that British politics is increasingly characterised by the lowest common denominator.." Ah yes, some of the members are even from the North, one or two Johnnies that didn't even go to Oxbridge, can you believe it, standards have definitely slipped. Alan
  15. PeterC

    May's Brexit Plan

    By dilution of representation. My vote for a westminster MP counts more than a vote for an Assembly member in Cardiff. And my vote for a MEP is barely worth owt at all. I only write to my MP , the others have no power to speak of. Peter
  16. Nick Jones

    Joys of engineering

    I saw that and smiled a little. I thought fluorescent dye or glue (as well as glitter) might have been appropriate.
  17. TR5tar

    Joys of engineering

    Don't forget the Fisher Space Pen! I still have mine somewhere
  18. Hamish

    Joys of engineering

    Great stuff.
  19. JohnD

    Joys of engineering

    WOW! Now we have to thank NASA for Teflon, microcomputers, space blankets, and now - MARK ROBER! What a great invention! John
  20. PaulAA

    May's Brexit Plan

    Repetition does not make something true. In what way is the combination of no direct election of cabinet, PM, HoL, Head of State and Civil Service make the UK model more democratic than the European one?
  21. PaulAA

    May's Brexit Plan

    John Now you are taking the comment out of context and overlooking - intentionally or otherwise - my previous posts on the subject. Excusing a misrepresentation with 'they all did it' is not a good enough reason, although it does seem that British politics is increasingly characterised by the lowest common denominator. Paul
  22. TR5tar

    Joys of engineering

    I was going to say exactly the same thing Rod, but I'm trying to live down my bad boy reputation
  23. Janner

    May's Brexit Plan

    Paul Messer Bliar and Brown were serial liars as well, read 'Broken Vows' All in all I suggest that leavers and remainers abjectly failed to tell the truth then and still have difficulty now. Anyone who really, truly believes that one side lied and one didn't, really doesn't understand politics or politicians. Left, centre, right, they are all the same, in it for power, money, power self promotion, power. John
  24. Rod1883

    Joys of engineering

    They should use something far more unpleasant than glitter!
  25. Rod1883

    May's Brexit Plan

    There was plenty of debate at the time and it was clear that the figure was gross, and the choice we could have on where to spend it was part of the attraction of taking back control of our political decisions. Yes, the situation has changed and the economy generally (across the whole of Europe) isn't as good as it perhaps was, so will there really be £350million to assign? I don't know, but the principle of having our elected politicians* decide on our behalf has got to be better than remote EU bureaucrats doing it, hasn't it? *No matter what we think of our Politicians - at least we have the opportunity to elect them every few years or so - something that the size and complexity of the EU machine effectively denies us.
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